"Feminism....

topic posted Fri, October 1, 2004 - 11:30 AM by  Jezebel
the radical notion the women are people."

Feminism is such a touchy subject, many women would not identify themselves as Feminists because of the negative associations attached to the word. When did the image overshadow the idea and why haven't we taken back the identity?

Gay men revel in their media image, turning it into and icon instead of an insult. This has also happend with other negative stereotypes, except for Feminists. Many still fear being labeled as a Feminist because they associate the word with thick women with mustaches and no boyfriend. Come on ladies, when is it our turn to reshape that image into the reality of beautiful women of all shapes and sizes interested in being treated like a person with all of the rights and priveledges that men have? Why do I see bickering over a title hamstring the movement and rob us of needed voices for change?

I am a Feminist. It doesn't matter what I wear, how long my hair is, or how many children I do or dont' have I am still a feminist. I think that men and women should be treated like people, equal in potential and indivisable from their ambitions. If gay people can have Gay Pride to bring their issues about inequality to the table why haven't I seen Feminist Pride championing our causes?

Any thoughts ladies? What does being a Feminist mean to you?
posted by:
Jezebel
Seattle
  • Being a feminist means running my own life. It means answering to no one but myself. It means respecting the traditions that came before, but not being bound by them. It means voting, because women fought for decades so that I could take the five minutes to make my voice heard. It means trying to really understand men and where they are coming from. It means deciding for myself whether or not to have a child. It means fighting for that twenty-something cents more that I'm not making compared to my male coworkers. It means not having to do "women's work". Being a feminist means, to me, that I am in control, that I am responsible for myself and my actions, and that no man, woman or government can tell me who I am.
    • Thanks Kapaali, this is an excellent definition, and one that I wish some feminist had used on me as a young woman. I associated feminist with 'militant bull dyke" for so long that as a teenager I thought my mother was another Andrea Dworkin, mom was not a dyke, but there were times when I really wasn't sure. She did tell me once that she deeply resented the roles women were cast into. But that's sort of besides the point.
      I started calling myself a feminist after I did my time in that jail they call a Battered Women's shelter. (this was after 10 months of a relationship with an alcoholic, which I had never been witness to before, so no experience of how to stay out of one)
      It was educational to say the least and I got a really good "birds eye view" of what my mother went through with her ex-husband, who broke her jaw. Now I'll never be able to go back to putting up with alcoholic behavior or calling myself anything BUT a feminist! (was that all clear as mud?)

      The only modification I would make to your statement is that I would be perfectly willing to do "women's work" as long as it was clearly understood that:
      1. There is no shame in it if I am choosing to do it for my own gratification, I'm a giving sort of soul. ;-)
      2. That I am getting paid decent living wages and am respected for it!
      and 3. I do not concede that it is work based on anyone's gender!
  • I have been called (directly or indirectly) a "heartless bitch" three times in the last few days.
    And my response each time has been "Thank you, it's what helped me get through law school!"
    Somehow, my power as a feminist and my persona as a "heartless bitch (attorney)", are one and the same.
    When did this happen?
    I really wanted to help people....
    And when did "bitch" and "feminist" become euphemisms for each other?
    • I fyou have not already read it I recommend reading "Bitch" by Elizabeth Wurtzel. She has a lot of good theories about why the words Feminist and Bitch are gererally considered one in the same. Also Naomi Wolf's "Fire with Fire" is a great book on feminist power dynamic.

      Much of society wants feminine women that are pliable, nice, and submissive. We should be happy with what the men choose to give to us and not demand equal pay or benefits because you know we are so much better off than we were 50 years ago. Our job is to be help mate, not partner, and definetly not dominant partner in the relationship. Women are to be the nurturers, the helpers, the ones that give up everything so that men can make this a better world for everyone (and if you believe that I've got some ocean front property in Arizona for cheap). Any women that does not live up to these feminized ideas deserves to be called a bitch, cunt, etc.

      You're not a "heartless bitch" you just didn't do what they wanted you to do and it pissed them off. Sometimes you have to do things that make people angry regardless of how much you want to help.
      • mostly because i just relocated back to seatown and need wants some more good friends... good points.... i think a lot of what is at the heart of the need for feminism is this sense of entitlement, that womyn take care of things, will, will put out, whatever.

        i expect to be worshipped, damn it, and will do the same in return. i think nothing turns me off so fast as somebody else's sense of entitlement to my body or my kindness. lots of love to all the lovelies i have not yet had the luxury of meeting. i hope i do soon. my doors are open for strong lovelies. anybody want to come to alaska and do permaculture this summer?

        lynx
  • So today I was at the Gym where I do massage and started commenting on how horrible all those "people" and "us" magazine are to one of the girls behind the front desk were; and couldn't she at least read MS. magazine instead of that brain-rot?

    She didn't even know what MS. magazine WAS! And this was a girl who was raised by hippies! I was shocked I tell ya. I sort of know where she is coming from, there was a time when I didn't call myself a feminist either, but at least I knew what MS. Magazine is???
    • Hippies are notoriously anti-intellectual, so the feminist perspective is I'm sure quite beyond most of them. Most hippies also seem to have 'way kind' sex-based roles, as well. Sugar Magnolia anyone? and what about that whole Rasta culture of mysogyny? Shameful...

      Most so-called New Age culture also seems to be a whole lot of changing the content but not the form. Most people are too lazy to examine the source and meaning of their beliefs, so continue to perpetuate the status quo, albeit in trendy new exotic outfits.

      • amen sister. Some of the most sexist and hypocritical men I have met are in the "progressive" politics parties. One prominent one in particular - has a GF: size 0, blond, 10 years younger, deferential, follows him around like a puppy dog. Him: 40, grey/balding. potbeliied.
        • Hello All--

          I'm amazed by how many folks are offended by the word "feminist". I know women who ARE feminists, in my opinion, and who still shirk from the word.

          I went to two conservative universities, one Catholic, the other Mormon, so I saw a lot of people in denial about feminism because of their religion. It was like these women were holding their hands in front of their eyes, and they just couldn't see what was in front of them. I found the best thing to do was avoid the label and argue using their own terms.

          Ilana
          • i consider myself a feminist, but at the same time have had alot of bad experiences with "feminists" because of my work, artistic or clothing choices.
            let's face it..women and girls can be sooo mean. i'm amazed at how these women who are such public "feminists" are really just assholes dissing their sisters for choices they make due to life necessity, personal volition or whatever.there is no consideration of life circumstanes in thier ..theology..pedagogy...whatever it is.
            thanks to andrea dworkin and cathrine mckinnon. in a very real and tangible way those bitches made my life way more difficult than it needed to be.
            their feminism as i see it is non-inclusive.
            feminsim is for the ladies who have the time to think about it.
            luckily there are people like annie sprinke and yes..pamela anderson out there doing their thing to combat the stereotyps that women like dworkin and mckinnon have created around "feminism"
            p.s. in case you didn't get it ...i hate andrea dworkin and catherine mckinnon
            • Oh yes, Pamela Anderson has done wonders for Feminist thought. She's shown that you don't have to have brains to call yourself a Feminist.

              Differences are probably our greatest hurdle as self-realized women. We dismiss one another for being different instead of seeing the issues that effect us all regardless of race, sexual orientation, or lifestyle. We hate someone for saying something that makes us uncomfortable instead of listening to their message and seeing how we can relate. Your message smacks of the same exclusivity that is being practiced upon you by others.

              Take Audre Lorde for example, brilliant Black Feminist Lesbian Poet/Writer; someone I really look up to and touches my heart and mind with her message. She's also ragingly anti-white. Now as a White woman should I dismiss what she has to say because she has a beef with the way she has been treated (and observed the others of her race being treated)? No, I do my best to look at her racism face on and see as much of myself as possible in what she has to say so that I can examine my own motives and actions. She has things to teach me even if our experiences are not similar.

              Love your ememies as you do yourself, they will give you the best mirror to look into yourself with.

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